[00:00:11] Speaker A: What's worthwhile?
[00:00:12] Speaker B: It's a question we all need to answer for ourselves. I'm Ramsey Zimmerman. As for me, it's building mind, body and spirit wellness. Let's ponder the big questions together as we seek peace of mind, vitality of body, and joy of spirit.
[00:00:39] Speaker C: I had this incredible flow doing this, and when you think about a competition, diet, competition workouts, that's a different level. Is it hard? Yes. But it didn't feel hard because I was in the flow. Everything fell into place. I lost, like, the body fat I put on the muscle. I was transforming, and not only my body, also my mindset. I just got stronger and stronger.
[00:01:14] Speaker D: Hey there.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: It's Ramsay here. That was Angela Byer.
[00:01:18] Speaker D: Angela is a Miss Universe title holder, a health and fitness coach, and is trained in nutritional science. In addition to working with bodybuilders and other athletes, Angela coaches many women and men to build and maintain their strength, power, and endurance as they age. We spoke about the importance of skeletal muscle strength for longevity and the effects of having positive mindset and purpose. I don't know about you, but I'm aging, and this was a really helpful conversation for me. Let's get started.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: Hey, Angela, how are you doing today?
[00:01:51] Speaker C: I'm doing very well, thank you for asking. How are you?
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Oh, I am doing great. I'm excited. I have to admit right off the bat that you are the first Miss Universe that I've ever spoken with. So thank you so much for coming onto the podcast and spending a little bit of time with me today.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: My pleasure.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So today you're a health and fitness coach and the founder of the House of Shape.
But in, I think it was 2009, right. You won Miss Florida, Miss USA, Miss Universe. And I guess they have a few different sort of categories or forms of Miss Universe. So tell us more about the competition that. That you were in.
[00:02:34] Speaker C: Yeah, so I competed at the INBA International Natural Bodybuilding Association. And yeah, there are different categories in, like, what you present.
And for example, there is the bikini class, the fitness class, the figure class, physique. That was my class where I was competing in, and then the bodybuilding class. So every category has different requirements, how you should prepare for and.
Yeah, present.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: Awesome. So have you always been, like, a fitness enthusiast or how did you get into bodybuilding?
[00:03:17] Speaker C: All of this question. So I was always fascinated about muscle and strength since I was a child. But, like, I liked, I don't know, action figures who were muscular. I liked all the Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. I liked, like, all this kind of stuff where they are heroes or superheroes. I was always into this and. But I was never in bodybuilding. And to be honest with you, how I was brought up, it was actually like not a thing at all. And I went through my own struggles, gaining a lot of weight, making a lot of mistakes, hurting myself, ending up in the hospital. I went like through every diet that was out there. Yo yoing, having a lot of negative self talk, feeling lost. And like I said, I had to stop the craziness. And there is a lot to say about if your body is not working properly, you're mentally not good. And if you mentally having a lot of like negative thoughts. And it was around my look, it was around the food, it was around what people think of me. Constant.
Nothing really works out. And you hit roadblock after roadblock. It's interesting how it all works together.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So what was some of that journey for you? Where did you kind of run into some problems? Where did you find a turning point? Tell us more about that.
[00:04:56] Speaker C: So what happened was of course in college I gained a lot of weight. Then I have a finance degree, so I was a banker in my 20s. And what I did was typical. I was that cardio bunny. You saw me either on the StairMaster or in aerobic class.
I got up in the morning and see this is also it built up slowly. So when I remember first I was on the StairMaster, then StairMaster in classes. And then all of a sudden I got up really early in the morning and I ran a 10k before I even got my day started. And then I was working like crazy. And then I did over I over exercise so much. I didn't even know how it felt not to be sore because my body wasn't even able to recover. And what I also did, of course, all kinds of crazy diet, like 10 pounds in 10 days. Okay, we restrict and we are on a weird kind of like cabbage soup diet. Or we cut up, you know, whatever I like. Again, very desperate and trusting. And I was always asking myself, why is this not working for me? What is the problem with Angela? And it was never me, it was just the systems I chose, which were not working. This is not how you do it. But I had no education in it and I had no guidance in it. And so I just jumped, literally. I bought magazines and I'm like, oh, this is the newest or this or this. And I didn't even understand how I harmed my body and my mental state, to be honest with you. I mean, I had constant food thoughts. I Was always thinking about food and I was not allowed to eat it because I gained weight. You know this vicious cycle in your head, like, boy, yeah, not pretty. And yeah, at one point I just broke down on a mountain bike ride and woke up in the hospital. And yeah, they, my blood work was off, lung wasn't functioning, kidney was not really happy. I mean, I had everything going on and it was just malnutrition and over exercising. That's what it was. And I had to put a hard stop on and what I did at that time, I made a decision to go back to school and actually get a nutrition degree. Not because I wanted nutritionist, but I was fed up, so to speak, with.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: All or unfed up, unfed up, all.
[00:07:45] Speaker C: This information out there and nothing seemed to work. So I wanted to learn this science about food and the body and what I need to do to set up a successful diet plan, what I can do and maintain the weight I want it. So that's how I got started.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: That's wonderful. And did you, you must have seen those changes then. Did that make a huge change in your life when you started changing your diet and changing your exercise patterns?
[00:08:15] Speaker C: It did. But now here is the not even not fun part, but the interesting part of it is I was living not an authentic life. I was in a profession which I didn't choose. It was just like recommended by my parents, so to speak. It would be a good profession for me. There was never a discussion what I wanted to do. So I was in a job which I was able to do and I was able to do well, but it was not what I wanted to do. And unfortunately I was also in a very unhealthy relationship which took a toll. And so I was able to control certain parts of my life and that was food and exercise. But you have to have the, the wholesome, the total package in order to be really healthy. And again, I hit a roadblock again and again and again. And I decided to put a hard stop on this and take some time out. And I decided to learn English, got a student visa and I found an international school in Florida where I was able to learn English as a second language for three months. And that's how I came over.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And so for three months, huh? Did that three months stretch out to longer than that? And how did that happen?
As I recall, you're still in Florida.
[00:09:44] Speaker C: Yes, it's now what, 17, 18 years? Yeah, it, I, I came to the United States and I just wanted to take a long term leave. Just think about What I want to do in my life, like, what? What's the whole purpose here? What am I doing? Because this is not going anywhere. And I fell in love with this country. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, what do I need to do to get papers to be able to stay?
So what happened was I got an internship at a bank. And I'm like, well, that's 18 months where I can experience it if I really like it. And, yeah, I can live and see how real life is. So I started again, not being authentic banking because it was familiar and in my comfort zone. Very interesting. And that's one lesson I learned in this whole journey, that I needed to get out of my comfort zone and to take some risks to actually experience growth and getting to the next level. And I did not do this in my 20s. I always played it safe, not getting where I should go, you know, it was always being stuck. And that was like, one big lesson. So during the internship, again, conversation with my immigration lawyer, and I wanted a work visa, a work permit, and she said, yeah, because I don't have any special skills in banking. There's so many bankers in the United States, and if I don't bring something special to the table, I won't get a work visa. I have to go back to Germany. And I said, well, I don't have special skills in banking, but I can lift things up and put them down real good. I'm really good bodybuilding. And she said, well, if you can get a world champion title for the United States, you can get a green card.
And I thought she was joking. I'm like, what?
And, yeah, she was serious. And I said I had nothing to lose. And again, what I did was I was afraid, and that was my only chance, but I did it anyway. I basically started the journey with fear in the backseat, so to speak. And I had this incredible flow doing this. And when you think about a competition diet, competition workout, that's a different level. And is it hard? Yes. But it didn't feel hard because I was in the flow. Everything fell into place. I lost, like, the body fat I. I put on the muscle. I was transforming. And not only my body, also my mindset. I just got stronger and stronger in that regard as well. So, yeah, I did my first show that was Miss Florida 1, got qualified for Miss USA, won Miss USA, and was able to represent the United States at the Miss Universe show. And, boy, it was so exciting. I had a special made bikini which looked like the American flag. And my goal was actually to be in the finals to wear that bikini because in the pre judging in the morning you only wear black. And that was like one of the, or my goal. And yeah, I made it to the finals. And it was funny, when they announced fifth place, fourth place, third place, I was still standing on stage. I'm like, oh my gosh. And when they announced the second place winner, you can actually see me checking my number and I'm like, oh my gosh, I just won Miss Universe.
Yeah. That was the day where it's a funny thing people ask me, was that the happiest moment in your life?
And to be honest with you, the happiest moment was the journey getting there because I really enjoyed the process. But in that moment I felt so relieved, so because I mean, everything worked out and even better as I planned. And yeah, it was a special day.
[00:14:28] Speaker A: Well, that's, yeah, no, that's really tremendous. It really sounds like going through that journey and after having, you know, made attempts at, you know, physical training and also making attempts at professional work, just sounds like your heart wasn't in it the first couple of times. But then, you know, you got around to something that really clicked. And I imagine that must be very informative for you today with your clients.
So, you know, you have a fitness and health training, your coach for that. Do you, do you train competitive bodybuilders or do you train folks who have sort of more conventional health and fitness goals?
[00:15:26] Speaker C: Yeah, so really good question.
Coming from a competitive background, I had at the beginning a lot of competitors and people who were very focused on sculpting the body. And the more I was in that profession, it shifted. And you see actually a very strong connection to if you want to be healthy, you have a, a optimized body composition. It goes hand in hand. So at the beginning it was more vanity, so to speak, and now it shifted more to health. And I like, I mean, I do both. I get a lot of women ready for their special day, like a wedding or for an event and they want to fit in a certain dress or something. And I'm really good at dialing you in for that day because that's what you do as a bodybuilder. So yeah, I know how to do it. But to be honest with you, I like to help people actually plan not their wealth management for retirement, I like to plan their health management for retirement. So a long term plan where they can actually prepare and be as healthy as possible for the longest time.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Oh, I like that a lot.
Long term health management program so I'm also in like a holistic health and nutritional therapy sort of training curriculum. Right now. I'm sort of in the middle of the learning, learning all about those things. And I've definitely learned that having strong skeletal muscle and just physical strength is really a key to long term health and longevity.
Do you agree with that? And, and why is that? Why is it so important to stay strong even as we age?
[00:17:33] Speaker C: Yeah, very good question. So what happens is sarcopenia kicks in in our 30s, meaning the loss of muscle. And the body always wants to survive and wants to do this with the least effort.
So if you don't use it, you lose it. But what does this mean for you? The muscle is your body armor.
And that's like a very important and main key of all of it. Now the other thing too, if it comes to health, we understand that we need a good metabolism, we understand that we need strong bones, we understand that we have to have good cognitive function.
We know that we want to balance our hormones, all those things. But I cannot tell my body, hey, make more estrogen because I need it. Now I'm getting like, or telling your body, okay, how about we make strong bones now because I see a decline or my bone density goes away. You can't. But what you can do and where you have an influence, active influence in it, is building muscle. And for example, muscle and bones are like a married couple. Seriously, if you have strong muscle, your bones get stronger. This is like, they go hand in hand. And like I said, how do you want to make your bones stronger? It's just by having resistance training, lifting heavy weights and keeping the muscle up, the bone will follow. Same thing with your metabolism. If you are not creating a flux in the body, meaning you eat the carbs and they can't go anywhere because you have unhealthy muscle tissue or not enough muscle tissue. So let's play the game of a midlife woman. Good example. Happens. Or that's what I have a lot.
They wake up and literally it, they tell me, I don't understand. I ate like I always do, and all of a sudden I'm gaining weight and especially visceral fat, like belly fat. What happened? They lost muscle over time. But then in their midlife, it became or it flipped or it was that one like loss enough that all of a sudden you eat your carbs, they get digested, they go into your bloodstream. We all know that. So now we have the glucose floating around in the bloodstream. And usually, or what happens is insulin is going to be produced by the pancreas. And insulin is the key, what opens up the cells to get the blood sugar out of your bloodstream. All right, so now all of a sudden, because the cell, the healthy muscle cell, is not healthy anymore, or not there anymore, the insulin cannot open up anything. And the blood sugar stays in the bloodstream, goes back to the liver, spills over in the liver, and you build that visceral fat. It has to go somewhere. And that's actually the very dangerous body fat you don't want. What are we talking about? This is insulin resistancy.
Now start working the muscle, saying, hey, wake up. Build the muscle, clean up the cells. You create a flux. So all of a sudden, this active tissue is starting to use carbohydrates, glucose, for energy. And this is what is our metabolism. The metabolism is basically changing food energy into cellular energy so we can actually use it and function. That's what the metabolism is. And insulin is the hormone what opens it up and gets it going. So this is the first sign that we are getting pre diabetic or diabetic. And this is a big warning sign. So by starting to train the muscle, engage it, creating tissue, what wants the energy, that's like a big key to change that around.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And so as people get older, does it get more difficult to build that muscle, to get stronger, to maintain strength? And, you know, how can people sort of address that as they're, as they're getting older?
[00:22:11] Speaker C: So the good news is, no matter what age you're in, your body is able to build muscle.
So doesn't really matter at what age you're starting, the earlier the better.
Now what happens when you get older? Yes, we do have an anabolic resistancy.
So we do have to lift real heavy a lot more frequently to actually trigger muscle protein synthesis. And if it comes to diet, to trigger muscle protein synthesis, we have to have a higher amount of protein, a robust amount of protein to actually start that process as well. So is it more difficult?
No, if you know what to do. So the caloric intake is basically in general. I mean, it always depends. Everybody is so different. But let's say what you ate as a 20 year old, the calories can be the same, but the macros are definitely different. So your protein intake is higher and the fat and the carbs is lower than when you were in your 20s. So this has to be addressed and changed. And that's why I like to, yeah, check in. And I like tracking tools. I always want to know where my clients are in their journey so I can address it and fix it right away. And that's why you can't get around the not tracking, because that's guessing. And how can you fix a problem if you're guessing, if you don't know what the problem actually is?
[00:23:59] Speaker A: Right, right. So what I'm hearing is that as we get older, we definitely. It's. It's that much more important to get more protein than we could maybe get away with when we were younger.
And are there significant differences between women and men? And what are. And if so, kind of. What are some of those differences that people need to be aware of?
[00:24:27] Speaker C: Yeah. So what happens in midlife with women? Their decline in hormones, for example, is like a big drop, and then they stay steady and another big drop. It's like steps. With men, it's more linear. They are losing the. Or the amount of hormones they're producing is less, but it's a lower decline, but they are declining as well. The muscle loss is the same thing. When the hormones drop, the muscle loss is more significant, but. And with men, there is muscle loss, but it's more linear. So that's like a huge difference. And you can. This is very interesting.
Women are not small men, and a lot of studies are done on men. And if a study is done where they, like, put women in, usually they use older men with a higher body fat percentage and less muscle in the study and use that as a woman comparison.
It's a stretch. It's a stretch.
But, yeah, so there's definitely differences, and.
But both genders have to address it for sure.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: Mm.
And should people be sort of training and working out for, you know, really hard or really fast or really long? You know, should they be doing, you know, real sort of strenuous sessions that are really short versus lighter sessions that last really long and sort of, you know, what are some of the differences there that are, you know, effective and healthy for people to reach their strength goals?
[00:26:27] Speaker C: So, interestingly, you don't have to spend so much time in the weight room.
Short, intense workouts where you literally trigger the muscle to grow is enough. It doesn't have to be a long duration. Now, if somebody loves doing long bike rides and they're out and about for miles and miles and miles and they enjoy it, go ahead and do it recreational. But if it comes to your health and your health plan, you don't want to spend too much time on very long sessions, because what we don't want is to stress the system too much. And we are, interestingly, sometimes in A zone where it's stressing our system, but we are not stressing the muscle to actually adapt and grow. And I don't want to say it's a bad method, but like the Orange Theory or Soul Cycle, like those spin classes, you sweat. Yes, but this is not. You're stressing your body a lot. Cortisol is very elevated, and your recovery time is longer than usual, but you're not triggering muscle protein synthesis. You're not triggering muscle growth. Now, if you lift weights in that time frame, you have different ways of turning up the volume. That's with the weight. Yes. Could be the repetition or could be the breaks in between.
Now, whatever you prefer. I like to lift heavy, and I superset a lot, so I keep going. I train two muscle groups, so I do my chest and then I do my back, and then chest and back, and I go back and forth, and I knock it out in a very short period of time, but I keep going. And that's just my training style. There's so many different styles you can do. I think the important thing is that you like the style and that you keep doing it. And what you want to do is progressively intensify it. You want to get better and better every time you work out. You don't want to stick, stay at the same level and do this forever, because then the body is adapted to it and you won't see any benefits.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: So I think what I heard you say was that you want to up the intensity. It's so to make sure that you have high intensity each time. But then there's the ways that you adjust that are either the amount of weight or the repetitions that you get or the breaks that you don't take. Meaning that you, you know, do it continuously. Correct. Did I get that pretty close?
[00:29:29] Speaker C: Yes. Or like, let's say you do a set and you need 60 seconds to recover and do the next set. Well, go down to 45 seconds or 30 seconds or, you know, shorter breaks in between the sets. Yeah, that's another way of intensifying the workout. It's especially useful if you can't lift heavier. Sometimes with smaller muscle groups, it's just hard to jump to the next weight. So just give yourself less breaks and really challenge the muscle. And then the next time you try the heavier weight, but you had it intensified in that workout, and it must.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: Be, you know, trying to find the balance between getting benefit and, you know, being sore versus working yourself too hard and, you know, potentially getting injured. You know, I. I think about this Especially with folks as they're getting older.
So that must be something that you kind of really dial in with your trainer, right?
[00:30:34] Speaker C: Yeah. So you definitely have to train smarter.
And depending where you coming from, I like first to see what the form is, how you execute the. The exercise, what you're doing.
And then we create new neural pathways by working out different muscle groups, different exercises, and it's the muscle mind connection. When you have that down, then we can intensify it. And interestingly, the older we get, we have different muscle fibers. The older we get, first we lose the power. The muscle fibers where you can execute, like, explosive exercises, jumping, sprints, stuff like that. Then the strength goes, and the last thing is the endurance.
So the endurance train, like I said, that's, I think, what people have the most fun with because it's easy, have the most of it. And the strength training is, I would say, the one what you can build up very quickly. And with the power, I like to incorporate it, but I'm very careful because you get injured very easily with explosive movement. So you've really got the form down. You have to be warmed up, you've got to stretch. And then I'll do some of the explosive things. What you can do, for example, jumping, this can be iffy because of the risk of injury. So what I do is explosive movements on a bike, and you go all out and for 30 seconds or something, and then you dial it back down and see what the heart rate does. But yeah, that's how I would address it as it comes to. To power. Like really heavy on the bike, like the assault bike. So not the best name for it, but Assault bike.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's all kind of visions there.
[00:32:37] Speaker C: But it's really good tool. I love it.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah, no, this is all. This is all really good.
The.
The podcast, what's worthwhile. I really talk a lot about mind, body and spirit connections and sort of how all of that is tied together and building wellness in all of those different issues.
What do you think about that? What do you think about sort of the connections? And how do our thoughts and emotions and spiritual experiences, how do they play into our physical strength and vice versa? How does having more physical strength play into mind and spirit as well?
[00:33:28] Speaker C: Oh, I think it's super important.
And I mean, I'm Christian, so I believe in God. And for me, that is a very important part in my life. And I had a time where I wasn't as connected, and I call it my dark times. And I can tell the more faith I developed and the more trust in God, the more it opened doors and it went hand in hand. And for me, it was a spiritual journey as well.
And I was exposed to a lot of good people who helped me finding it. And the stronger your body is, I think the stronger your faith or belief system, whatever you're believing in, call it universe or whatever it is, it gets and it goes hand in hand. And I think it's also by surrounding yourself by people who are in the same faith or spirituality, they always bring something where it lifts you up and where you can lift them up. It is a very, very interesting, for me, combination where I always question, like, how does this work? But it always does. And yeah, I. I mean, I was very, very.
When I did the competition on my own, and that's where I actually was a lot with God, so to speak. A lot of conversations with God, a lot of praying, starting journaling. That's when this all happened, this whole transitioning. And I think it gives you way more strength. And also in my case, I didn't trust myself and I didn't believe in myself. But when I started believing in something higher, my case in God, it happened. It all came together and fell into place. And that's what I learned in my journey. So I think.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: That'S really beautiful. And I would agree.
And I think too, our faith in God and also our, you know, relationships with the people around us, family, friends, they really can help us in times where we're trying to accomplish either new things or trying to accomplish difficult things or to get back on track.
You know, health and fitness is definitely something that a lot of people go up and down in, you know, kind of throughout their lives. Like, sometimes they're really successful in it, and sometimes they fall away from it, and it's difficult to get back.
Do you work with folks a lot who kind of experience that sort of yo, yo in their health and fitness journey? And. And how do you. How do you address that? How do you inspire them to. To get fit and stay fit?
[00:36:55] Speaker C: Yeah, what I just mentioned, I create habit stacks, which are very, very important. And of course, journaling, writing down what you're doing and also writing down how you're feeling. Two different things, but both are very important. And it's a. Interesting thing. What happens if you literally write it down? Don't use your phone, have a book, have a pen and write is so much more powerful and it brings you so much more awareness of what you're doing. And again, when you write it down, it strengthens whatever you want to build up now, creating those habits. What I do are small steps. Don't overwhelm yourself. We have enough stress going on and we need a lot of willpower to get through the day.
So that's why I like to have everything automated. The more you prep and the more automation is in your day, the easier it is to do it. So, for example, I can guarantee you, you wake up and you are on your diet. And then breakfast is always spot on. Always, no problem. This is the easiest because you wake up and you still are fresh and has. You have all the willpower. All right. But then life gets lively. You go to work, you answer emails, you answer the phone, you take care of kids, you have to do projects, you are in traffic. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And as the day goes on, you get basically sapped from your willpower.
Now you know yourself and you know your body. And this is again, take breaks. Like, lunchtime is a special time where it's quiet and rejuvenate. Say a little prayer.
Super helpful. Gratitude. Super helpful. And then be prepared. So I want you to actually, your day starts actually in the evening before.
That's when you prep your food. That's when everything is ready. And now you have such a peace of mind. You know exactly what you're going to do the next day. You know exactly where your food is. It's prepped in the refrigerator. You come home from a stressful day at work and you want to eat everything, what you find. But you open up the fridge and there is a dinner. And you don't have to think about it. You don't have to make a decision. It's all there. And this gives you so much more freedom and extra time that you're not getting stressed out and you can actually reach your goal. But it's all in the prep.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Yes. Staying ahead of it, maybe you can, even if it's just one step ahead, to say, one step ahead. Looking ahead.
Um, so looking ahead, what are you. What are you excited about these days? What have you got coming up? Are there things that you're excited about this year, this spring, Things that are coming up that you're looking forward to?
[00:40:10] Speaker C: Yes. So I'm actually having my first course.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:17] Speaker C: Out. So I'm super excited about that. Other than that, it's just like coaching more.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: What's that, what's that course going to look like? Tell us about that.
[00:40:25] Speaker C: That is to actually get the foundation done, to get rid of sugar addiction, reset your metabolism and start finding a routine in workouts, how to journal, how to create a diet so you can. You can actually build a very nice foundation for health. It's the basics you need, basically.
[00:40:50] Speaker A: That sounds great.
[00:40:53] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. I'm.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:55] Speaker C: About that. And then I will go to some conferences which are exciting, all about health, so longevity and women's health conversation. So this year will be exciting.
[00:41:08] Speaker A: That sounds great. So how can people learn more about your course and learn more about you and get a hold of you? Where. Where should people go to learn more?
[00:41:18] Speaker C: Yeah, you can find me on social media as health coach Angela. And my website is houseofshape.com Very cool.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: Well, thank you so much. This has been really great. I learned a lot. I am, in fact, myself getting older, so that is helpful for me to. To learn and hear about this.
You know, I think you have such a great story of how, you know, earlier in life, it seemed like you were being successful with your job and your exercise, but really you were doing kind of the wrong things for the wrong reasons, and they weren't sustainable. And then eventually you sort of found it and it clicked. And I find that to be an inspiring story. And, you know, maybe they'll make a cool movie about you becoming Miss Florida and Miss USA and Miss Universe. I'll watch it. So thank you.
Yeah. And in the meantime, you know, good luck with your practice. And I just really had a great time talking, so thanks a bunch.
[00:42:29] Speaker C: Thank you, Ramsey, for having me.
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