[00:00:11] Speaker A: What's worthwhile? It's a question we all need to answer for ourselves. I'm Ramsay Zimmerman. As for me, it's building mind, body and spirit wellness. Let's ponder the big questions together as we seek peace of mind, vitality of body, and joy of spirit.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: I believe that people are realizing a couple things. First of all, they need to take radical responsibility for themselves. And this is hard for a lot of people who want to, who over the years have really basically handed their health over to their doctor and they don't take responsibility with their lifestyle. And this is where I think that people are starting to realize, oh, I can either choose to be a victim and go and do whatever, or they can take. They can empower themselves and they need to do uncomfortable things. And I think that people are waking up to the idea that while we definitely need doctors, we need hospitals, but there's things that we need to step out of in that realm and take personal responsibility for. Because to me, responsibility equals freedom.
[00:01:32] Speaker C: Hey there, It's Ramsay here.
[00:01:34] Speaker D: That was Jane Barlow Christensen.
[00:01:36] Speaker C: Jane is the owner and CEO of.
[00:01:37] Speaker D: Barlow Herbal Specialties, a company and calling that she inherited from her father, Dr. Max Barlow. He was a pioneer in cataloging and sharing traditional knowledge about medicinal plants with practitioners throughout the country. Today the company sells plant based remedies on the Internet for a wide range of ailments.
I am particularly intrigued by one plant called Lomatium that she claims is incredibly useful and powerful to prevent and treat infections. However, starting to use that remedy sometimes causes an itchy skin rash. It is not a side effect in the pharmaceutical sense, but instead an outward sign of its internal effectiveness in some way. I feel like it is symbolic of the idea that often things worth having are difficult or uncomfortable to achieve. An idea that I think Jane embraces.
See what you think about that.
[00:02:30] Speaker C: Let's get started.
Hey Jane, how are you doing today?
[00:02:34] Speaker B: Hey, Ramsey. I'm doing awesome, thank you. How are you?
[00:02:37] Speaker C: I am doing great. You know, thank you so much for coming on. Like, I feel like, I feel like you have this expertise and this like, view and vision into like a wonderful world that I'm only just getting to glimpse of like natural herbal remedies and all of their benefits. So I'm just super excited to have you here and learn from you.
We'll say for the audience that you are the owner of Barlow Herbal Specialties, which is a family business with a rich history.
And why don't we start there, please? Tell me about your dad, Dr. Max Barlow.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah, so my dad Was.
He was an incredible human being, as was my mom. But my dad, he grew up in a family of seven kids, and all of them went into the family's heating and air conditioning and plumbing business.
He has four brothers and two sisters. All of them went into the business except for my dad. And when he was pretty young, he just really loved nature and plants. And so after he served a stint at the end of the Korean War, he went to college and he got his degree in medicinal botany. So that was just something that, you know, we're all born with these things that make us tick, that we find so much interest in it that we will pursue all of the education and all of the, you know, the, you know, so he collaborated with a lot of really incredible people. But when we were growing up, we were always learning about plant medicine. It was just really normal. You know, we had a big acreage of, you know, of land that we grew up on. There's 14 kids in my family, so there's a lot of kids. And we were always learning about roadside weeds and plants that grew up in the mountains. And there were pots of stuff growing everywhere. And we had a huge garden. And this was back in the 60s and 70s, so I was born in 1961. So if you think about, you know, the world was definitely different then, but this is when all of the packaged food and modern food and fast foods and junk foods, these were all just. All coming out. And we didn't. We didn't get to partake in any of that. You know, we thought we were pretty deprived growing up without junk food and fast food and we didn't get soda. It was a big treat to go to my grandpa's, his plumbing shop, because he had a soda machine. And we used to it. That used to be a huge treat for us as we'd get to go and put money in and get a root beer or something. So, you know, we just grew up a little bit off the grid, you know, homemade bread and homemade.
You know, we thought we were so embarrassed to take our little whole wheat homemade bread to. In our little sack lunches, because it. But now, you know, as adults, of course, you're like, what a gift. What a gift that we all got. So, yeah, we just grew up with herbs curing in jars and pots. And my dad's friends were acupuncturists and chiropractors and naturopaths and iridologists. I mean, we were having our irises red, and we were just having all that. We are one of the first things we got when we were born was a chiropractic adjustment, because my dad. That's just the way we were raised. So, yeah, it was. It was awkward then. Very hippie ish then. But now it's like, holy cow. Like, this is where I. So many people are like, they want to do the natural things, they want to. They want to opt out of modern medicine as much as they can without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it does seem like things are kind of coming back around that way.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:28] Speaker C: So growing up, you had, you know, just potted herbal plants, like, all around you. And I'm just getting all these images of, you know, sort of the mad scientist professor, except in with herbs instead of, like, test tubes and stuff.
And, uh.
Did you sort of, sort of always know that you wanted to follow in your dad's footsteps, or was there, like, a point of time where maybe you want to do something completely different? Like, what was that like for you growing up?
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it was the farthest thing from my radar. Um, I never dreamed that I would be the one carrying on my dad's work. So I'm second oldest, and my parents actually had 11 natural kids, and then they adopted three Native American kids. And they were siblings as well, but they grew up with us. They were 4, 3, and 2 years old when they were adopted. So when I graduated from high school, I had fallen in love with fitness when I was in high school. So I started. I got married when I was 18. I got married when I was really young. I started having babies right away, 20 and 21. I had my two boys, but I fell in love with fitness. So I started teaching group exercise. I got certified to be a personal trainer. And then when I was 31 or 32, I built a fitness center. I built my own health club. So I kind of had that entrepreneur thing. My dad was an entrepreneur with his herbal remedies and all his herbal medicines and the people he would collaborate with. So I kind of had that definite piece of me. But I was into fitness and I was into, you know, I ran a couple marathons, and I did a lot of personal training, like I said, built my own health club. So when I. When my dad passed away, which was 27 years ago, I was 34, and none of us were prepared. You don't ever get prepared to lose your parent, especially, you know, he was young. He was only 62, which I'm older than that now, so.
So, no, this was not something on my radar when I was. I was the Fitness person. I, you know, I still taught classes, fitness classes, until Covid hit. And then the gym I was working at went into bankruptcy. And so I taught for 40 years. I taught classes.
So my first passion when I was an adult was fitness, and I still love that.
Then the moment happened when it's. Yeah, it just all synergetically came together. My dad had been gone for four years already and his business had died with him. You know, none of us had the degree, none of us had the, you know, all of the education and the Latin names and the Spaniards. You know, I still don't, you know, I still have to research things and I've got. I've gotten a lot more knowledge under my belt these last couple of decades, but it was, you know, nobody could really. You can't really replace your parents.
[00:09:43] Speaker C: No.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: So.
[00:09:45] Speaker C: Yeah, so how.
So it sounds like you kind of restarted the business. It was down for a while. How is the business that you brought back? How is that similar and different from what your dad did for all those years?
[00:10:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that is a beautiful question. You know, so when my dad was alive, there was no Internet. Internet.
[00:10:12] Speaker C: I imagine that had a big difference.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: It did. And you know, there's been times over these last couple of decades where I've really thought, wow, I wish I could share this, how I'm able to reach people and teach people and. And this even, you know, the first few years, I just. I would send out a monthly newsletter like, literally just like my dad used to do. And I would lick stamps and I'd go to the printer and we'd get boxes of envelopes with our logo on them. And when I first started, I really. My dad sold mostly to practitioners because the formulas that he formulated, there's an education curve. So it's not. I've got some. A line of things now that can. That are a little bit more user friendly, if you will, like turmeric and, you know, a cayenne pepper with slippery elm. Things that are a little bit easier as far as teaching people about. But most of my dad's tinctures go after hardcore human ailments. And so when I first restarted, which was four years after he passed, I sold to practitioners that were buying from him. And then that's where I focused. I would go to trade shows that were naturopathic conferences with doctors. And for the first 10 years, that's what I mostly did because, you know, I knew these formulas inside now because I grew up with them. And I helped, you know, I helped my dad make them When I was a teenager and there were things that I used to do and I just knew. And. And then, of course, things changed and the Internet really changed things. And I have discovered that I love. I love being able to share things, but I also love the marketing aspect. So as far as teaching people and being able to utilize all the modern tools that we have, like even you and I being able to do this in completely different parts of the world or the States, you know, so it's very, very different.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: So you.
So the business today, it's online. There's, you know, lots of products to choose, what are.
And it's. It's no longer just being, you know, your customers are no longer just practitioners. They're people who want to have benefits for themselves and for their families.
What are some of the sort of main things that people can address, you know, based on your herbal remedies?
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, let me preface that first with saying that what I discovered as I was out there, I went to tons of trade shows. I sat at so many booths for days on end weekends. And I started to realize that there were a lot of people that, like the wife of a doctor or the husband of a chiropractor would come in there. And then I would. I would be talking to not the practitioner for the most. They would maybe after get information, wander on. But then I'd be talking to the spouse or the daughter or the. And they'd be like, have all these questions about, oh, my child has this and what would you do for that? So I realized that the moms, the spouses, the family members, they were, like, hungry for herbal wisdom and knowledge and for things, normal things, cold and flu and parasites and candida and hyper and hypothyroid issues and hormone issues and energy and a little bit of weight loss and anxiety.
And I started to realize that why not empower the everyday person with really simple, beautiful things that, you know, Hippocrates said it the best first, do no harm. And, you know, I don't have a doctor degree. I don't have any. I don't have any formal training. But at this point, I feel like I have a lot of deep, deep wisdom. Not just based on the way I was raised, but now based on just the intensive research that I continue to do. So to me, I feel so confident in the herbal remedies that I have that I could go after anything, even as hardcore as cancer. Like, I.
I don't worry about any of those things. And I will tell you, that's the most empowering place for a modern human to be is in a place of confidence in, okay, if I need a medical system, if I need trauma care, I need some type of testing. I even think if I, you know, if someone in my family or myself needed chemotherapy or surgery, you know, I had a knee, I had a knee replacement 2 1/2 years ago because I had a horrible water ski accident. So it's not all about just putting herbs on something or in, you know, it's, it's, it's about taking the best of what we have to offer in modern medicine and from all of the gifts of mother nature and just what's best for the person, you know? Did that answer your question?
[00:15:30] Speaker C: Well, so that's a, that's a, a bold statement. And it's also a, you know, a very amazing kind of way to approach life. And, you know, for people who want to be healthy and have their family be healthy, you know, how do you know when they go to your website, to your store, you know, how do you sort of curate and help them to begin to sort of capture that? Because it couldn't possibly be all at once, right? That's like a completely different way of approaching your health and life. Like, what, what is that journey like for someone? What, what should they maybe expect?
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Well, you know, we, we don't have a lot of, we don't, we don't have, we don't have a ton of information on our website just because we live in a world where you have to be careful what you say. And I also think that people, if they have zero experience with herbal medicine, they should do a couple things. First of all, if they have something that they're a health issue that they're dealing with, they should find like a functional medicine doctor. They should get a team of people around them that are professionals that can help them on their journey. You know, I don't, it's not just because it's not smart to just say, okay, I just got this gnarly diagnosis and I'm going to only do herbs. If you have no knowledge. That's not smart. Don't do that. So here's what I like to suggest to people is sometimes we need to do things like, we all know that we can clean up our diet. We all know that we can eat better foods. And so the place that I always suggest people to start is with what they're eating. You know, stop eating fast food, stop eating junk food. Eat close, as close to nature as you can. And you need to be willing to get really uncomfortable and maybe change your social structure. You know, you might have friends that you meet every Friday for pizza and beer. That might not be the best thing for your health. And as human beings, we get in these comfort zones and we also don't want to offend people. But this is where to me, true health really starts. It's not about just covering up bad eating habits, bad lifestyle choices with herbs.
That's not the place to start. You know, you need to change what you're eating, change how you're moving or lack of moving, reduce, and you're still.
[00:18:05] Speaker C: You'Re still a fitness person. You were a fitness coach. And so, you know, movement and getting the right exercise and training, these are the fundamentals. Right, Right.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Well, not only that, I mean, I, when I did personal training and people would be like, they think they could eat anything they wanted because now they were exercising.
And it's the same type of a balance. And I think that we're, we have so much abundance in food and we have such an abundance of bad food. I don't even think they should call some of the stuff that's out there food, personally.
[00:18:39] Speaker C: Right.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: So I think people just need to start with simple stuff. And one of my favorite places to point people is with tea. You know, start drinking herbal tea. I don't make any teas, I don't sell any teas. You know, start eat drinking dandelion root tea because it's good for your liver and it tastes delicious. You know, have peppermint tea or chamomile tea after dinner. Helps with digestion, helps bring, you know, get you into a, you know, nice place. And, and there's a lot of medicinal benefits and properties to just tea. And it's non invasive, it won't hurt you and it's a beautiful place to start.
[00:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I've been learning a bit more about tea and drinking more tea.
The other thing too. Right. Is like spices. Oh yeah. Incorporating spices onto foods and into salads and, you know, pulling them into salad dressings. There's a lot of, you know, good phytonutrients there that can find their way in.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And if you notice.
So my, my book that I sent you, I, it's an update of my dad's original book that he wrote when I was in high school. He had 48 plants and I've increased it to 101 plants. And one of the things that I focused on was adding a whole bunch of plants that are actually spices. So there's turmeric, there's cayenne pepper. There's basil, there's.
There's just a ton of herbs that are spices that people are familiar with. And by simply by doing that, you know, get it as fresh as you can and start spicing up your food.
Yeah.
[00:20:30] Speaker C: You sent me a copy of your book. It is absolutely beautiful. And it's definitely going to be a coffee table book for us because it's hardcover. It's filled with full color photographs and sketches and diagrams and descriptions of the plants and what they do. It's really a beautiful piece of work. Great job.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah. And all the illustrations were done by my, one of my sisters.
[00:21:05] Speaker C: Oh, that's terrific.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So she, she updated the ones from my dad's book and then added all the rest. But this was a true labor of love and I wanted it to be something that people would display because think about when you pick up something like that and you start to gain an interest, you never know who you're going to spark an interest in. Someone, a young person or someone that's going to go, oh, look at how beautiful this plant is. I've seen that plant, you know, I've seen that on the side of the road. Or, hey, don't we have that in our yard? Or, you know, because like echinacea, there's people who grow that in their flower garden because it's so beautiful. And you might not realize that, oh, this is really good for your immune system. It's got some antiviral properties, you know, so it's. I think that when you provide something like that, it sparks an interest in people. That I think is really beautiful, beautiful wisdom.
[00:22:03] Speaker C: Well, and it seems like the book is both a means to recognize and identify these books kind of out in nature. And is it also, you know, something that people can be incorporating into their own gardens and growing this stuff on their own? Like, is that what you kind of recommend to customers? Is it a combination of growing it yourself and also finding it out in the woods?
[00:22:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely a combination of that.
In fact, every Thursday on my, I have a little YouTube channel. It's just Barlow Herbal. And every Thursday I put out an herbal wisdom video. And I talk about different. Something different every week. And some of them are, the goal is to actually not just identify plants that grow wild and some of them are just considered weeds, like roadside weeds, but things that you can incorporate into your. Not just your flower garden, but can actually have some medicinal properties. So. Yes, and that is the goal of the book as well. Like, why not have a beautiful flow flower garden that you can maybe harvest the leaves that have, you know, all these amazing benefits. And then you can make your own tea or make your own tincture. Like, there's a chapter at the end of the book where I teach you how to do all these things.
[00:23:23] Speaker C: And it's not exclusively really exotic plants. It's also very sort of commonplace plants. But you do a nice job of sort of describing what the benefits are and sort of how to make the most of the plants.
But then you also do have some exotic and amazing plants kind of in your. In your repertoire.
Came across the writings you have about lomadium. Am I saying that right?
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Lomatium.
[00:23:56] Speaker C: Lomatium.
Tell us about lomatium, because that sounds like it's kind of an amazing plant.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And it does sound exotic and maybe odd because most people have never heard of it.
This is something my dad studied for 30 years before he passed. And it grows only in the Pacific Northwest of the United States, but it also goes a little bit west, like Oregon, Washington, California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, some in Montana and some a little bit in Wyoming, but it only grows there. And it's never been successfully cultivated, but it was heavily used by the Native Americans. And like I said, you know, my dad was a true lover of Native American plants and culture and the deep indigenous wisdom that Native Americans had.
And lomatium is what's known as a broad spectrum antimicrobial. So virus, fungus, yeast, bad bacteria. But the beautiful thing about plants like this, especially if they have powerful antibacterial properties, is that they don't disturb any beneficial bacteria. So if you think about, you know, taking something that, you know, I'm not against an antibiotic you might need to get as a prescription, but then you need to really worry about replenishing your gut flora and replenishing your microbiome just because of that. But with plants, that's where, you know, the beauty of Mother Nature comes in. And lomatium is one of those things that I would never. I started using it when I was 14 and I would never want to go through life without it. So next year I'll be 64. So I've been using it for 50 years almost, and it's. It's one of my favorites. Yeah.
[00:25:47] Speaker C: Is that something that you sort of take internally and in like a pill form, or do you eat it? Or is it topical? Tell us more about its application.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: So, yeah, we in it. So I put it into a tink. We put it into a tincture, which is A very concentrated extract. A tincture technically doesn't contain any glycerin or water. If you have water or glycerin, then you've got an extract. But a tincture is just all alcohol. And we make a tincture of this lomatium, but we also. We put it into a couple of blends as well. So we make a single of it and then we make it into a couple of blends and then we put it into capsule form as well. What my dad found when he was studying it, that when lomatium goes through the digestive process, which it will in capsule form, it goes to work on deeper pulmonary or respiratory infections. So that would be a reason to take a capsule or if you don't like the taste of the liquid, because the liquid is. I mean, we don't do sweeten it or dilute it or try to make it taste better.
You know, my grandkids actually prefer the liquid. And they grew up, they're 11 and 13 now, and they actually prefer the tincture, but because they had that when they were babies and toddlers and little kids. So it. Yeah, we put into a couple of different. You can also infuse it into an oil and put it into a skin, like a skin salve that you would use for skin wounds or whatever. So there's lots of applications.
[00:27:20] Speaker C: And is it for prevention to not get sick or is it to directly sort of address when you are sick or both?
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Both, yeah, I've used it for both. Yeah. And there's other plants that you can use for both as well. You know, things like, of course, echinacea or lemon balm or olive leaf.
But yes, lomatium. I take it every day during cold and flu season just for. Just for prevention or if I ever travel. So if I'm taking a trip in the middle of the summer, I've always got some of my herbs and lomatium is absolutely part of it. I've saved so many vacations over the years because you never know what you're going to get when you're up on an airplane. And so.
[00:28:04] Speaker C: Yeah, but then you also are very careful to let people know that there sometimes is a rash that some people might get the first time that they use it because. Can you tell us about that?
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah, so this was something that is very well known because this plant is not new. In fact, this plant, during this. The. Of course, the Native Americans have been using it for centuries, but during the Spanish flu, the pandemic of 1917. 1918, the United States Government actually assigned a contract physician to all the groups, like to different areas around the United States so they could keep track of stats, how many people got sick, how many people died. And there was a doctor In San Francisco, Dr. E.T. krebs Sr. Who was assigned San Francisco parts of Northern California that included two Native American tribes, the Washoe Indians, near Carson City, Nevada. So this was the group that he was. This area he was assigned. And what he discovered is that these two groups of Native Americans, while they got sick, not one person from either one of these tribes died during this pandemic. And they were using lomatium during the Spanish flu. So after the pandemic was over, he took lomatium back to his practice. And he was a medical doctor. He was not a naturopath or chiropractor. He was a medical doctor. He took lomation back to his practice and started studying it. And he studied it extensively. And then his son, Dr. E.T. krebs Jr. Also went on to become a medical doctor and started carrying on his dad's work. And then my dad worked with junior doctor Krebs junior For a long time. And then what happened? It was gaining a lot of attention and a lot of traction in the medical world. Lomation was. And then in 19, I think it was 1942, and I might not be on with that date, but penicillin was discovered. And then all of a sudden nobody wanted to use an old Indian remedy because it wasn't fancy, it wasn't new. It was. And it just fell by the wayside, literally. It just lost all its steam. It was written up in the Journal of Bacteriology and a few other medical journals and I have some of these studies that my dad had gathered and I've got all that stuff, but there was really amazing work that was coming from this. So. And I love, I really love that some of these really powerful remedies are starting to gain attention again because they need to. And I need to circle back around because you asked me about the lomatium rash and I never answered that. So lomatium causes a one time detox rash in a small amount of people when they use it for the first time.
And because I have so much experience with this plant and I've talked to thousands of people that have it, practitioners that have their patients with this rash.
It. It's very classic. So basically what happens, what happens is when someone who needs what I believe is happening is the body finally has a tool to clear out some type of microbial load. And I have come to believe it's mostly a viral load or mostly viral from just, from just the thousands of people I've talked to and the different things that they've been dealing with when it, that led up to that. So the rash shows up typically between days five and seven. So say someone takes lomatium in tincture form.
They take it, they take it the first day, the second day, the third day. And if someone was having an allergic reaction, this is what would typically happen is your body would, would respond in an allergic way, typically right away, in the first day, within the first hour sometimes. But the loomation rash shows up at about a week. That's very common. And so what I have come to believe is that your, your liver, which is a, which is a powerful detox organ, is not prepared to handle how quickly your body is releasing a viral load.
And so the skin, as your largest organ, is just helping out.
It typically shows up. It's the kind of the coolest thing. So say someone has like Hashimoto's, they have thyroid, thyroid issues.
If someone gets the lamatium rash and they have thyroid issues, which I believe is an underlying Epstein Barr issue, that's causing the thyroid issues. And again, this is from all of my collaboration and conversations with doctors over the last couple of decades. The rash will show up first right here, right on the neck where the, where the thyroid lives, and then it will spread. If someone has been dealing with chronic UTIs, you know, for. I have a friend that dealt with chronic UTIs for 20 years before she. And actually that's why we became friends and we've been friends for 15 years now. But when she got the lomatium rash, she broke out first on her low back where her kidneys are. So when the rash came out on her body, it came out right there first and then it spread to the rest of her body.
People with lung issues, long standing chronic lung issues, it expresses on their chest first. So, so it's very classic. And then it clears up. It goes through this whole process and we have a lot of education, we give people about it, what to expect, what it comes with. It can be itchy, it's uncomfortable, they're swelling. Some people get a little bit of a fever. I would say it's a little more, it's a little bit scary for modern humans who aren't used to what a healing crisis is, because sometimes we get a little bit worse before we get better. And this is something that you want to be fully educated on because this is not something to be afraid of. But this is something to be aware of. And then what happens? The rash runs its course. Sometimes it lasts anywhere from three days to maybe two weeks. For some people will keep this rash for a long time and then it clears up and they don't ever get the rash again.
And so it happens once, and it actually, I believe the body's doing a really, really smart thing. It's, you know, and. But we find if we support and detox and nourish the liver, so we have a whole protocol now that we can actually prevent the rash in most people who would have gotten it. So there, to me, there's. There's a very important protocol. We call it the ultimate lomatium starter. And we basically guide you through how to start using lomatium and prevent the rash. Because if you can get the same results without the rash, that is optimal because the rash is not pleasant. And if you're afraid of it and you don't think you'd handle it well, you should not use lamatium.
[00:35:17] Speaker C: Well, it's. It really speaks, I think, to the power of that, you know, that substance. If it. If it, you know, can create this effect and this detox effect and it's, you know, apparent in your skin, then there's no doubt that it's doing something amazing. And. Yeah, that. And that's an amazing story about how it is localized at those places where people have, you know, generally it sounds like what you're describing is people have infections that are just sort of hanging out there in those various spots, and that's where it's going to manifest as that. But.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Interesting, right?
[00:36:00] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it really is. And.
But it's nice to hear that you have sort of an additional protocol that mostly prevents that from happening, because it doesn't. It. It doesn't sound very fun, honestly.
But.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: No, I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
[00:36:19] Speaker C: No. But it's also not fun to have, you know, chronic infections your whole life.
So, you know, you do have to sort of power through sometimes.
And it doesn't sound like a side effect in the sense that it's, you know, some other sort of. Well, you know, this chemical does some good things, but it also does some bad things. Like. That's not what we're describing here. What we're describing is this is doing such an amazing thing that you're going to have, potentially, you might have a manifestation that you see on your skin that you sort of have to power through.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And it clears up. You know, it doesn't. Yeah, it, you know, for Some people who have really, really intense elimination rashes, it will, it will linger. And like, if they heat up, if they exercise or they sit in a sauna, their skin, their body temperature heats up, they might still see a little bit of a flu, like the remnants of the rash for three or four months after the rash clears up. And those people get it very intense. And they tend to be older people who've maybe been on a bunch of prescription meds which are super hard on your liver.
And I have a file on my computer with thousands of rashes. It's a fascinating, amazing. I find the whole thing just absolutely amazing. Really.
[00:37:50] Speaker C: I find it interesting that there seems to be now a resurgence towards additional answers, you know, beyond just and exclusively the pharmaceutical medicines. Right. Because, you know, we all know kind of what we all live through collectively just a few years ago in terms of a pandemic and, you know, alternative treatments and things like that were not exactly widely encouraged.
But it seems to me that you and your company and your have, and your family history just has a lot of knowledge about alternatives and different approaches. And, you know, do you think that maybe, you know, as of now, we're seeing a change in kind of the attitude that people and systems and, you know, authorities have towards how people ought to be treating their health and wellness and maybe not just exclusively, just using kind of pharmaceutical solutions?
[00:39:11] Speaker B: I, I see a big shift, actually. I got off on the thing, but, yeah, I, I believe that people are realizing a couple of things. First of all, they need to take radical responsibility for themselves.
And this is hard for a lot of people who want to, who over the years have, have really basically handed their health over to their doctor. They do whatever the doctor says, and they don't take responsibility with their lifestyle. And this is where I think that people are starting to realize, oh, I can either choose to be a victim and go and do whatever, or they can empower themselves and they need to do uncomfortable choices and do uncomfortable things. But here's the thing. You can either do hard now, which makes your life easier in the future, or you can do, quote, quote, easy things that make your life way harder in the future. And I think that people are waking up to the idea that while we definitely need doctors, we need hospitals, we need the things that we have, but there's things that we need to step out of in that realm and take personal responsibility for, because to me, responsibility equals freedom. If you aren't chained to the medical profession, you're free. Your life looks so much better. And, you know, this is really dialing in for me as I get older because there's not a lot of people my age that, I mean, I surround myself with like minded people for the most part, but there's a lot of people my age who can't say that they're not on any medications at all. You know what I mean? And to me, that's very empowering. And I have noticed an absolutely huge, huge shift in people going, okay, wait a minute, you mean if I do this, then I don't have to do this and I sleep better, I feel better, sex is better, I lose weight, I'm nicer to my spouse and my kids, and everything falls into play. Your health is like your most important thing, in my opinion.
[00:41:22] Speaker C: Well, and it seems to me that the holistic health approaches have really great positive synergies. You know, that like when you do sort of the basics, it helps you in many areas and then you feel better and then you can do more to make yourself feel more better and more healthy. Versus it seems like if you are kind of only addressing things with a pill, then you know, pretty soon you need another pill to do this other thing and then this other pill, you need that. And so it's the opposite. It's, it's kind of a, maybe a chain reaction of negativity instead of positivity.
[00:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And it might be kind of hard in the beginning, but I think we need to get back to doing hard things. We, our life has been made so easy with all the conveniences.
And I think that that's great. I'm not against modern conveniences and modern comforts. You know, I'm great with that. But I also believe we need to continue to do hard things, physically hard. We need to, I think we need to do more fasting. I think human beings need to not constantly eat. Our bodies are not. We. Our biology has not caught up with the sheer volumes of food that we're encouraged to eat. Not just the, the bad food, but the volumes of food. You know, our biology has not caught up with that. And skipping eating is one of the best things you can do. And of course you need to do it guided. If you, if you're new, brand new to fasting, you shouldn't just stop eating. You know, that's not smart. So it, there's a lot of things that we could do that, you know, I know people who can't even imagine skipping a meal. They just, I'm like. And they might have, they might have low blood sugar, they might be, there might be reasons that they should not just skip meals.
[00:43:14] Speaker C: So what are you excited about? What's coming up that you're excited about? What. What do you have going on? Like, what is. What does the future look like for you?
[00:43:25] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's kind of cool to be at this phase in my life where, you know, to me, this is the most exciting time to be alive.
I think that the.
The population that is humanity on the whole planet is. I believe we're in a great awakening. But I think that there's layers and layers and layers of awakening. I've experienced many of them myself.
But I think that for people who understand that health is simple and we're, you know, wellness is our birthright.
And there's not just herbal medicine. There's mindset, there's belief systems, There's.
You know, I think that this is. Humans are being empowered right now, and we have a lot of work to do. But to me, this is the most exciting time to be here. And I feel like. I feel like sometimes I can't believe, wow, I got to grow up with a dad who did this, who taught me this. I've raised my kids this way now, my grandkids. I take care of myself this way. And now it feels like the world is ready for this kind of stuff at a level I've never seen it before. And for me, I want to just share wisdom with people and let them experience what true wellness feels like. And to me, this is the most exciting time. And the more I can just share what I have to share, that's what's. That's what's in my future.
[00:45:05] Speaker C: That is. That is wonderful. And I completely and totally agree.
And so where do people learn more? How do they get in touch with you?
What are all of your. Tell us your. Your website and how people can find you.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah, so my website is Barlow herbal.com. that's just B, A, R, L, O, W. And then herbal. I have a little YouTube channel. It's Barlow Herbal.
I'm on all the stuff. Instagram and Arloherbal. And I think listening to podcasts like this is like.
I've got playlists of different podcasts I've been on on my YouTube channel. So people can go and just absorb some information. And like I said, I put out an herbal. Herbal wisdom video every Thursday. And they're not long. They're like 8 minutes, 12 minutes. They're. They're short. They're meant to be absorbable. They're meant to be, you know, teaching people. But, yeah, I should I'm easy to find.
[00:46:14] Speaker C: Well, Jane, thank you so much.
I just really appreciate how you and your company and your book and all of your efforts are really trying to empower people to take back, you know, control of their own health and to build their health and to do so with their family, to, to make their families more healthy. And, you know, there's, there's so many opportunities out there to do that. And I do, I agree that we're in a really positive, moving forward kind of spot. I feel like there is a lot of momentum beginning to build and clearly you will be very much involved with bringing that information and that power to people and hope that you and I will stay in touch and have cause to do this again sometime. So thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Anytime, Ramsey. I mean, I can tell a like minded soul almost energetically immediately. So thank you so much for the conversation. It's really fun to send you.
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