[00:00:11] Speaker A: What's worthwhile? It's a question we all need to answer for ourselves. I'm Ramsay Zimmerman. As for me, it's building mind, body and spirit wellness. Let's ponder the big questions together as we seek peace of mind, vitality of body, and joy of spirit.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Mindset is everything while going for cancer, and I've seen parts of it. I remember when I was working with an integrative doctor. He sat me down in a room and started asking me questions. He was actually capturing my emotions. And then he told me that, you know, now your healing actually starts. So I started correcting every small nuance of my life, which related to my emotional and physical health. And I started seeing a lot of difference not only in my health and my. My vitality, my energy levels, my. My thinking got cleared, my. You know, all of a sudden my intuition was so strong. So, you know, I. I always tell people, your cancer look as it something you need to come out of your comfort zone and understand that when you take responsibility of your own journey and you see two or three things going right, you feel so empowered.
[00:01:41] Speaker A: Hey there. It's Ramsay here. That was Shruti Sethi. Shruti was diagnosed with cancer in her early 30s and soon realized that all the little things going on, like her skin problems, her diet, her divorce, and her grinding lifestyle were taking their toll and manifesting in disease. She responded by taking control and beat her cancer. Since then, Shruti founded an online platform called Awana Health, where members can not only seek expert advice from functional doctors, but also enjoy the benefits of interacting with other members in the community. Shruti is more than a cancer survivor. She is now thriving and paving the way for others to recover from cancer, prevent cancer, and to diminish chronic illnesses as well. I found Shruti very inspiring. I think you will too. Let's get into it.
Hi, Shruti. How are you doing today?
[00:02:34] Speaker B: I'm good, Ramzi. How are you?
[00:02:37] Speaker A: I am doing well.
Thanks for coming on the what's Worthwhile podcast today.
You founded and you lead an online wellness platform called Awana Health, and you created that service to help others. But I know that this is also very personal for you.
Let's start by talking about your cancer diagnosis and treatments.
What was that like and how did you respond?
[00:03:10] Speaker B: First of all, thank you so much. Yeah. My journey started in 2016 when I got diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. It's a form of immune system cancer. I really didn't know what the heck is immune system and why did I get cancer at such an early age? When I was 34, the questions were unanswered, very vaguely answered by doctors.
Nobody told me or I was never told that I have a certain chances of getting cancer because none of my family members, paternal or maternal side had cancer. And it was so shocking. I thought maybe, you know, I was leading so called a healthy lifestyle, never had any bad habits of smoking, drinking, then why the hell did I get cancer?
Such a big disease. Right. Okay. If you get diabetes or you get other form of conditions. But it was a very, very hard like, like you know, as if somebody's thrown a bullet in my brain.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: And I had to find a lot of things by myself. I just research and go on Google and talk to people and figure it out. And a lot of when I came to a conclusion, you have to draw your own conclusion. And mostly it's right because it's your intuition. Guid.
It was obviously lifestyle, it was the stress. It was my body was always shouting for help and all I was doing is masking them behind the pills. And when we go to the doctors for a condition, say I had a lot of inflammation or I had a lot of acne in my body, that was a sure shot of sign of inflammation. But all I was given is birth control pills and you know, never asked to change any other things or look into the root cause, whether I have hormonal imbalance. I did have PCOD and I had extreme anxiety issues. So all of them were, you know, you just go to the doctors like oh, anxiety, just do some exercise and don't look into the other aspects of it or you just given some pills, that's it.
But you know, all these accumulation of so many years. Cancer takes years and years to accumulate in a body. All of a sudden just doesn't happen. It takes 10, 20 years and decades. What was my body doing for this year? It was trying to cope up and trying to show signs and symptoms in forms of asthma in terms of this and other things. And well, I didn't really understand. And then it got aggravated by the stress. I was going also throughout, also was going through a divorce that time. And you know, it was the trigger, of course. So all of these things together pulled the trigger in the immune system and the result was cancer.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: You know, it sounds like by conventional definitions, you know, you were okay, right? You were sort of living your life and you were, you had a successful career and maybe you had some, some issues here and there. But you know, by sort of traditional Allopathic medicine, kinds of standards. Everything was kind of going according to plan, but then all of a sudden it wasn't right. So. So what happened then?
[00:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah, so you know, when cancer. Cancer loves three, four things. One is that it likes inflammation in the body. It thrives on inflammation. Secondly, it likes fermentation. So how does it ferment like the fermentation if you are having, say, certain foods which have high glucose in it, say carbs, high density carbs, or sugar, any kind of sugar. The fuel for the cancer cells is that sugar. It loves that. When it's fermentation, it becomes that energy.
And when I look behind, I was actually really interested. I was. Before even getting the diagnosis, I was. My body was craving sugar. Eating sugar, that's also an emotional thing because I wanted some sweetness in life. And all I was doing is having amounts and amounts of ice creams and desserts every day. Every freaking day. I was all alone, going through divorce. My parents were here in New York and I was in India. So, you know, my body was shouting. I was also fatigued.
And you get. I would. I remember the previous two years, I used to get sick a lot. Like my vitamin D levels were very low and I had acidity issues. All of a sudden they cropped up and I was bloating. So the body was trying to cope up. You know, it was showing us crying for help. But the, the doctors couldn't figure out. Of course, at certain age, you know, that age also I feel they didn't in their dreams also thought that I'll get something like cancer. But the awareness was not there. I was not. We are not get. We don't get this education now through podcast and so a lot of other social media platforms we kind of know, but still people are living in a very unconscious way that certain food, like processed food. I was having processed foods, definitely, you know, craving for carbs and sugars and all those things. Though I was a vegetarian, but still, like dairy was one of the.
My primary source of food. And I never looked into that aspect, that thinking that dairy is protein and you know, where will I get from my protein from if I stop dairy? So, you know, that was like my body, obviously, you know, when you don't understand the realms of your own body's needs and what you should be doing. If you have certain conditions, everything can be healed, right? From a small cyst to acne to your pcod. Your body has beautiful healing mechanism. It's just that you need to give it a proper direction and you need to know. And that's what I was not told about any doctor. I must have seen so many doctors. Nobody told me about nutrition, even the oncologist. When you go to them and you ask them what should I eat? And they tell you eat whatever the heck you want. They are not bothered to understand the root cause or even go to your past and kind of understand where did the origin start from? How did it go? They are not really bothered. So I feel that each and every one of us should take that responsibility of your own health. If you're going through something and if it's consistent and if it's really bothering, you should understand and investigate it yourself rather than just relying on doctors, I feel.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: And is that, Is that what you did once you got your diagnosis? Did you.
How. Tell us how you sort of took control of your own health? Like what, what did you begin to learn about?
[00:10:51] Speaker B: First parameter which I looked into was my gut health. What is my skin showing? Show skin is a mirror to your inner body side. My skin was absolutely inflamed. I had acne so bad. My skin is absolutely clear now. But I was. I always told my mom that if it doesn't clear, I want to get a surgery done. So there was this inflammation condition all showing on my skin. Plus my gut health was bad. So I tried addressing my gut health. Secondly, I. I tried. I also started to address on my emotional health how stressed I am. I was going through stress. I was capturing those emotions inside me and not sharing with the world. The trapped emotions inside me. Not sharing things and being this lonely depressed person. I started going out and start talking about it. I remember when I was working with an integrative doctor, he sat me down in a room and started asking me question. He was actually capturing my emotions. And all I did was just cry for two hours.
And I felt so light, so light. And he told me that, you know, now your healing actually starts. So you know, when you. Because we don't know, you know, it feels like I felt very burdened sharing my emotions because that was my upbringing. Or maybe I. I learned. I learned that if you share too much, you feel you, you know, you're kind of a weak person. But that's not the case.
The third thing which I really started addressing is my breath. I was. When I started doing yoga in Pranayama, I. My teacher told me that you're breathing, you're shallow breather. That means my lungs were not working in the full functional capacity.
I was breathing wrong. Means when you inhale, your stomach should Diaphragm should bloat out and when you exhale, it should go in. I was doing the other way. And most that I see in a lot of my clients too, we are not breathing through our diaphragm and our, and our belly as we see in children. So, you know, and you, you sit like this. So you're already scoot scouting and you, your lungs get shrunk, you're not actually sitting straight. You know, all these small, small things. The post, it matters so much. So I started correcting every small nuance of my life which related to my emotional and physical health. And I started seeing a lot of difference not only in my health and my vitality, my energy levels, my thinking got cleared.
All of a sudden my intuition was so strong. So it. It is said that you become what you eat and you think and. Which is very true and which I really noticed and I felt in, in the journey, you know, with cancer.
So I always tell people, your cancer is just a warning, you know, look as it something you need to come out of your comfort zone. And it made me come out of my comfort zone, cross the barrier and understand what's the other side. And that when you take responsibility of your own journey with regards to cancer, be with any disease and you see two or three things going, right. You feel so empowered. I felt very empowered as that, oh my God, I have the power to do things and it makes a difference.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, getting a cancer diagnosis is, you know, right up there on near the top of the list of terrifying things that people would get or experience. Right. So it's, it's a very different mindset to think of cancer as, you know, your body giving you a warning that, that things are off as opposed to a cancer being like an imminent death sentence, you know, so. So tell me more about, about that. Like, is there a real value in being positive in the face of something like a cancer diagnosis versus, you know, being fearful and just, you know, just doing the, the one or three things that the doctor says and, you know, relying exclusively on kind of the treatments, like what, what's.
What's the sort of scope of, of ways in which people can respond in, you know, in an emboldened and empowered way?
[00:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a very beautiful question.
The whole thing about having, going through anything in life, especially a difficult situation, is it's come to you, to actually wake you up, come to a conscious mindset.
Mindset is everything while going through cancer. And I've seen parts of it when I was just Relying on the doctors. And I was going through chemo. What, what was it really doing to me? Because they don't come and tell you that ABC things are going to happen. You're going to get nauseous, you know that you're going to get nauseous. They give you a list of things which are going to happen. But the experience of it is just so.
I can't tell you. Like, you know, the first chemo I had, I thought I'm going to die because it was so painful. And I said, I can't go through this. I just can't. I told my parents it's so painful.
I, I said, if I have to go through this, through so many cycles, I have to change something. First of all, it's my mindset. I have to look from alive, from a very different perspective as to not get that fear of unknown. That means my. Because always the cancer patient, one who's going through cancer, like, will I survive this? And if I survive, will the cancer come back? Or am I going to get like. For me, my biggest concern was I was, I didn't have children.
Will my ovaries get saved? Is my fertility going to get affected?
Or if I'm going to get secondary disease? Because a lot of things happens after cancer, you get secondary diseases, etc, am I going to get that? So I was living constant fear. And my body was always in that stress and stress mode, you know, flight and fight stress mode. So I had to really calm myself down and really sit with myself and see. Let's take, you know, just, let's start taking each day as it comes and not think about future because it's not going to matter, you know, all right, now you need to do is just survive this and then you see what's going to get the other end. I have these tools, XYZ tools. I'm going to meditate, I'm going to eat nutritious meals, I'm going to work on my mindset and I'm going to stay positive and see what happens. When you work with these tools, you, you know, one day will be difficult, second day will be a little bit easier, third day will be much more easier because all of a sudden you expect a miracle that's not going to happen. But when you consistently do something with discipline and in an organized fashion, you will get results.
Not today, but definitely tomorrow. And that happened with me and which I realized, you know, one day was, you know, there were days where I couldn't get up and there were days where I had Full energy. So, okay, you know, embrace whatever you. I'm going through because this challenging situations is bringing out the best of me and challenging me. So let me take life from that perspective and it made a lot of difference. You know, I started like just lightening up and you know, it's okay, you know, tomorrow I'll be better and it's fine, you know, whatever you're going through. And I had to talk to myself a lot in this way and my parents were there to support. You need some supporting hand for sure. And when I talk to my cancer patients and I, you know, when there's a community when I've built and they talk to each other, it feels so amazing when they talk to each other and they encourage each other because that's the strength you gain from each other's experiences and which I thought was missing in my coachings and when I start doing something. So.
But yeah, so all I would say is that this fear factor and the mindset. First approach cancer with the mindset that you are, your body is just going through something. It is not a, it's just a part of you, not the whole aspect of your life. And you will come over it no matter what. Even if it's fourth stage. I've seen miracles. Fourth stage, I had third stage. But even fourth stage cancer patients with the determination and the will can definitely survive and live a very good, thriving life.
[00:20:14] Speaker A: You mentioned just a little bit about your patients, you know, interacting with each other and helping each other on sort of a peer to peer basis. Tell us more, tell us more about that with.
At Awana Health.
What do people find there at the platform and what, what can they, what can they do? What kind of, what do you offer and how do they sort of interact with their peers?
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So what I've thought in my journey is that I, I worked with a lot of coaches. I, we all need coaches at each stage of our life and I definitely needed that coach. Someone to give me guidance on what I eat and, you know, how to think or maybe what other alternative therapies I could take on. And I thought that maybe I should create a platform. I actually was a fashion designer and I thought maybe I want to do something. I was not clear, but definitely do something for cancer patients and people who have chronic issues. So just then, you know, start. Things started to open up and I, when I mentioned about my journey after I moved to a different city and started to interact with people, people started coming and asking for help and advice and I thought, oh my God, this Is like, I'm not the right person. I just went through it, but let me formalize. And I, I just so sowed that seed that maybe I want to get into this and the world. The universe just gave me opportunities. I got an opportunity to work with as a corporate coach in, in a corporate firm. And I must have interacted with 100 to 100 people. And I felt that community is so important. Like, you know, when I started building communities and people started coming and talking and you know, the kind of interactions we got and the kind of transformations we got was amazing. And I thought maybe let me try and do this online platform for cancer patients specifically where I can just guide them and be their helping hand. Because when you go through cancer, my God, there are endless questions and doctors don't always answer your questions. So I bought my team of doctors, integrative doctors, practitioners together. And when somebody signs up with us, they obviously get a fill, like a very comprehensive form. They answer it, we sit with them, we try and understand what is the root cause. Trying to basically, you know, understand the puzzle there. Okay. Of your bodies and construct a very individualized plan for them. And once a week we come together as a community, we meditate together, we do breath work, whatever, whatever one needs at that time, that support system. And you know, all of us help each other. I remember this, such a beautiful conversation last week when 4th stage lung cancer patient was interacting with the 4 stage breast cancer patient and the lung cancer patient working with us. She, her first time in her two years, her meds started decreasing. That means the cancer was in control. And you know, the cancer, the breast cancer patient was like, I'm also at fourth stage and I'm so depressed, I don't know what to do. And then she was consoling her and you know, trying to interact and telling her about their journey. So, you know, when you get a lot of strength from people, you don't realize the power of community. But when you do something like this and it's just such a whole hearted communication, which we do when everybody is so vulnerable and sharing each other's stories and, you know, weaknesses and strengths, it matters a lot because all we are a bunch of stories and we need to share with each other.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: That just sounds amazing.
Is it exclusively focused towards cancer and cancer patients or does it have a wider appeal?
Does the platform also address other types of issues and prevention and overall health?
[00:24:21] Speaker B: Yes, prevention of cancer. I also work with people who have chronic issues, like a lot of compiled issues together, maybe cardiovascular problems, hormonal Imbalances, infertility, people who have extreme gut issues, and autoimmune conditions. So anything which is chronic.
[00:24:40] Speaker A: Do you. So when did the platform go online? Which. How long ago?
[00:24:46] Speaker B: 2021.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: 2021. So how has it been in the past few years? Like, you know, the, the past few years, you know, we had the pandemic and. Yeah, and we have kind of come out of that and it's. We're all kind of bracing for the next one, I think in some ways. But I think health and wellness is on a lot of people's minds in both negative and positive ways. What have you sort of seen and experienced over the past few years? Like what, what's your, what's your take on kind of where we're at in sort of this, this place in terms of health and wellness?
[00:25:33] Speaker B: We have so many advancements and now diagnosis and especially with cancer, it's become becoming better and better with AI coming into scene and stuff. But what I've seen is that people want quick solutions, people want to get healthier. They understand that health after pandemic, that the health is one of the major asset they have. And if you don't have that, there's no point.
People have seen so many. You know, I was. There was a client of ours who lost their parents with COVID and it was very shattering for them. And both of them had diabetes and he also had a little bit of pre diabetic issues and he told me that maybe, you know, I should have really looked into their health and maybe they would have survived more. And they were in their 50s, not even so old, and the. All they were relying on the doctors and not looking again, you know, for reversals. People want reversals. Definitely. There is still a lot of awareness to be spread, especially the doctors and all, you know, these. The conventional way, they only are focused on medicines and on just managing the symptoms and the side effects. But nobody's talking more about prevention. And it's our duty to really tell the people that it is possible. Why not? It's this. People like shortcuts everywhere because our lives are so busy and we are so. Everybody's trying to do too many things, but. And they want to focus on health, but what is the best solution for them? Just taking a pill? Of course, for me, if I look behind, I didn't have time. All I was doing is okay, going to the doctor, taking the pills and just okay, temporary relief. But now I guess people have sort of, through our mediums and podcasts, people are getting awareness and people want solutions. So I feel it's a good way of. This is a time where humanity needs to understand that if today we are not waking up to this pandemic of illnesses and chronic issues, tomorrow our generations are going to suffer. And which we've already seen people in their 1950s, when you see this whole chemical combustion started to the chemical. I would say industrial revolution. I would say chemical revolution started coming in.
You know, the millennials are more prone to having heart attacks and cancers versus people who lived in 1920s and 1930s. So we have seen a rise on these things and we should think about a future generation.
Definitely.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: And you also have a book called the Healing Power Within.
Tell us more about the healing power within.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah, this book actually took three, four years for me to write, but and I was encouraged by my clients, by my family, friends, Please write because you need it. I was going through cancer and I was like, oh my God, there is. I need some inspiration and hope. So this book is solely and purely for anyone who wants, who's going through a difficult time and want to understand this. We have all, whatever we have, we have insiders, we have the willpower to overcome anything in life. It's just that we need proper tools. And I've discussed what kind of tools you, you can apply in your life.
And especially coming with with regards to cancer, I've given a lot of scientific evidences of what nutrition can do or what mindfulness can do, what yoga, meditation. And I've also shared histories, case histories of my clients who came out of cancer and are really thriving these days. And also some perspective of different integrative doctors on what they their take on cancer is. So that it's basically a complete comprehensive book which you read, you get, okay, you know, this is the kinds of foods I should be eating. This is the kind of supplements. But yes, I would say that to each to its own. You must always take the help on guide of a coach. But this is something which I feel is a need of the r because by 2030 it said that every one in five person is prone to get cancer. So can you, can you imagine this year I was just going through the statistics in 2024 already there are 24,000 young adults in US who have been diagnosed with cancer.
So it's just crazy. It's just going crazy.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Well, it's simultaneously really discouraging in the sense that clearly there's something happening and the numbers are going up. And it's also encouraging in the sense that I think a lot of people are Kind of waking up to the idea that they. In order to be truly healthy, you know, they need to address kind of all of those issues simultaneously. And, you know, I think of it in terms of mind, body and spirit, you know, and being able to look at kind of all of those three things at the same time.
Yeah. That if you. If you sort of look at the numbers and the trajectory kind of where we've been heading lately, then it's very discouraging. But then I get a lot of hope from, you know, folks like you and many others and I. And from, you know, it seems like there's a lot of popular interest in eating better and doing kind of mindfulness and meditation and other kinds of practices like that and being spiritually connected within their community and between among people and. And in their faith and everything else. So I'm encouraged. What are you excited about these days? What are. What are you looking forward to, you know, in terms of, you know, being optimistic and moving ahead and looking ahead?
What are you excited about? I always like to hear what people are excited about.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm very excited to understand, you know, the AI. I heard right. Someone's building an AI technology to detect cancer from a very early age, actually from the conception mode. Can you. Can you believe that? Like, somebody's pregnant?
[00:32:34] Speaker A: I don't know very much about that. Do you. Do you have information about that? Can you. Can you talk about that for a little bit? What are people using AI for?
[00:32:44] Speaker B: I just read something. I don't know exactly, but I was, I read the article and I was like, wow, this is something amazing. If we can get to that level where people are alarmed before hand, imagine the kind of changes we. They'll do or I'm sure they must be doing, because prevention is everything when it comes to cancer. I'm sorry to tell you, but prevention is the key because not everyone can do the mindfulness and the things. It's difficult. It's a difficult choice, but.
And so many types of cancer, if you go with, say, for example, the lung and the pancreatic cancer is very dangerous. Or if you have a brain tumor or glucoblastma brain sort of thing, it is very severe. And not all people can survive it. But the point is that if, you know, if so many people, if you. Breast cancer is getting another sort of, you know, the mammograms. I'm really scared of mammograms. I've never done a mammography. And though in this country I've been forced to do it over 40.
But if the AI can give us some tools where we can get detected with breast cancer or any form of cancer, that would be exciting, I guess.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: What else, anything else come to mind that you'd like to either share or to emphasize for folks who are listening?
[00:34:14] Speaker B: All I would say is that you know today every time you pick up that fork and spoon and there's a plate, there's always a choice of either you're feeding the ailments or you are improving your immunity. Everything is in your immune system as you said. Maybe there can be another pandemic and there may be, can there. There can be another form of viruses. But if your immune system is strong and the only way to improve your immune system is forget the supplements, is the food, the food water and the air. Now air of course we don't have control the water, we don't have control food, chemicals, pesticides. But what control we have is what to eat.
So we should consider eating a fibrous rich seven colors in our. In our plate. You know that rainbow colored vegetables, fruits, nut seeds, a lot of plant based options in our, in our diet full of antioxidants, full of free. Just combating those free radicals which we are inhaling every day of our lives.
I would focus and also tell folks to please do breathing practices because it, you know when you retain oxygen and it's said that when you do particular kind of pranayama like the breath of fire, which is a Kapal Bhati pranayama, you the retention of oxygen increases about 24% and we've already reduced the lung capacity of by 30% as humans. That lung lot of lungs collapses and as you age also that. So when you do pranayama you are, you know the yogis, the, the slower their breath is, the longer their life. It's said that it's slower the breath, the slower the exhalation, the longer their lives are.
So we must improve our oxygenation capacity. And the best way to do is just go take fresh air, sunlight and do these breathing techniques which is so free of cost and you don't have to go anywhere, sit in your room, sit in your house, sitting outside of your balcony and breathe. That's one of the most life changing moments because that also connects your intuition, you connects your brain and the gut and improves so much. It calms you down and it also de stresses you. Your body all of a sudden comes in a healing state of mode.
So breathwork I would say is so extremely overlooked when it comes to conventional medicine. You know, imagine doctors just telling you, prescribing you do this exercises or do these pranayama. I would say so many diseases could be prevented, so many of them.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: Where can people learn more and where can people get a hold of you?
[00:37:21] Speaker B: I am on all social media platforms, Instagram, Shruti, Underscore, Sethi underscore on Facebook, YouTube. I'm not very, very active on YouTube, but Instagram and Facebook and obviously my website called www.avanahealth.com a w a a n a t h e l dash.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Dot com well, Shruti, thank you so much. You know, what I really got from you loud and clear is that it's so important to take control of our own health and to be sort of mindful of that in every sense of the word. And you really focused in on impacting what, what we can control. Things like food and what we drink and getting fresh air and you know, doing breathing exercises.
These are, you know, really practical messages that I think everyone can really do. And like you said, in terms of cancer prevention is the most important thing. And it seems like many cancers are a result of, you know, issues that people have been experiencing for many years, you know, over the course of just their lives. And I think it's a really powerful message that we can sort of take control of our lifestyle and what we eat and also our attitudes and how we approach our life and you know, being optimistic and reducing things like stress and difficulties. And you know, that's just a really optimistic message in the face of the numbers that show that many of these chronic illnesses and cancer are just increasing. But it's just really refreshing and I think it's, I hope that it's empowering for people to understand that they really can make continuous improvements.
[00:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And one more thing I would like to tell everyone is to take these certain anti inflammatory marker test, crp, hscrp, esr. Please take care of your vitamin D because vitamin D is also, we are, most of the people are deficient and it's one of the key elements of having inflammatory diseases such as cancer. So please get your blood tests twice a year. I would say, you know, just get your whole panel, whole body panels, lipid panels, all these things checked so that know what's happening.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: Well, fantastic. Hey, thank you so much for coming on. It's been really great talking to you and hope to talk to you again soon.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: Thank you so much. It was a pleasure.
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